Season 10 Episode 10: Love is Blind Part 2

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The Dateable podcast is an insider's look into modern dating that the Huffington post calls one of the top ten podcast about love and sex. On each episode, we'll talk to real daters about. From sex parties to sex droughts, date fails a diaper fetishes and first moves to first loves. I'm your host Yue Xu, former dating coach turned dating sociologists. You also hear from my co host and producer Julie Krafchick as we explored this crazy dateable world. Hey everyone welcome to another episode of dateable. Show all about modern dating. And now it's all about modern dating in this time of social distancing. Hi Julie Hi where Social Distance Right now? We are such good kids aren't we? We have not seen each other. We have seen a lot of each other over video chat. Yep I feel like that's life now I feel like I'm just you know what somehow I feel like. My days are actually pretty packed. I'm like why do I not have more time to be doing stuff and I'm like to some constantly on video chats. Our phone calls is it is so exhausting. It's really wonderful because I feel like a lot of people have wanted to like reconnect. Yeah like some of my friends from college. I've put together like kind of like a weekly Zoom happy hour which is nice but it's I find it a little hard when there's like eight plus people on there. I don't know if you've experienced that. No I think that's the most annoying thing. I won't join a zoom thing for any anything over four people 'cause yes becomes this like Ping Ping Pong back and forth of this person saying something and someone has a child in the background running around and unlike I have no idea what's going on it gets really like talking over each other. You're like wait what did you say? Oh my connections out. Yeah but the sentiment is there which I appreciate and that's why I am like I want to go because of that but I think that the I agree. The best ones are like four to five people. Yeah it has to be some sort of structure. I hate to say that for a friends gathering but I feel like there needs to be like a focal topic or something like this week. We're going to talk about what we may for dinner or something because otherwise it's just all over the board you know what the one that you and I did with two of our friends. That was really fun. Yeah because I think you actually had to leave a little early on that one. But we felt really structured even when you were there. It wasn't like structured like let's organize but it was like more topical. We were just like in a discussion more than after you laugh. We played this Super Fun game because we didn't know each other As much in our like twenties in early thirties so it was like. Let's throw out a random age and tell us about like who is kind of like a prominent person of your love life in then like where were you at that stage of life? Let's game because it helps you get to know each other. But also it's a great bonding experience to. That's a great prompt. I think zoo. He's come out with some prompts video chats otherwise it's just a lot of Hay bumble they need like the pickup tumbles. Proms and news. That did you see hinge introduced. A video thing now did notice that they have something that you can like. Basically say when you're ready to date from home yes. It's like a prompt in okay. So maybe prompt video. I haven't tried it myself but I've I've seen the prompt and if you say yes then you're able to connect but if one person says yes me other ones know that you don't you don't that's amazing and I love that too great. I mean they really moved fast on that yeah awfully just a shutout to their. This is my like inner design Geek coming out but I just love their logo. They made of like the H. And the I separated from far that's Great Rally. Classic hinges on it not sponsored be clear but we sponsored. We are sponsor this episode is absolutely sponsored. And I think we should talk about them now. Yeah let's do it and then we can move on with the episode cool so you guys have probably heard us talk about empower for the last couple of weeks and we're super excited. They're a sponsor right now because what better time is there to have like an awesome mobile banking. App that helps you do auto save. Basically you just tell the apter weekly savings target in everyday empower studies your income in spending in. They know the right time to move that money. I think especially right now to a lot of us are saving money in the sense that we're not going out as much or using. Lifton UBER TO GET AROUND. So it almost feel like nothing's actually being taken from you and you'll be able to do this and by the end of this hopefully have a little more saved up because the reality is once we come back from this.

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We didn't have enough time to like find that one thing that was. Kinda like the soul connection or something like that we after ninety minutes I guess probably maybe one hundred fifteen minutes talked a little bit later. Let's just wasn't enough to Differentiate Oh yeah. Here's my heart is you know. I think if one of them were jerk or we had had a bad interaction or something. I think that would have totally changed things right. I feel like we both had our money on Taylor. I figured that I figured that you know when I thought about Lacey. The one where some are just fine right and I think that it will be a really easy going like we'll go out. Why would drink while some laughs? You know and it'll be really pleasant experience and that's great for first interaction so that's very low risk like we a high return. They're just thinking about it lately. I think the interactions with neither would be positive. You know I think for Taylor. Her time is something that is also part of my calculation. You know I think he's a different place. I think. That's you know I should be very thoughtful about that. A different place. How I think that for me. This interaction can be anything more on that level as I interaction coming off of. What the the amount of interaction. I've had with them right. I'm looking for something very low risk right and I think for Taylor her time. It's probably a little bit more valuable right Given what I think. She's at the dating game and I think that she might be less interested in having sort of less engage interaction and for me like I. I'm near the game and so like I am still. I'm really focused. And you know I don't want to waste anyone's time since again like these are three. Really Great Women Great Times talking to but I'm not you know heart struck over any of them yet. You mentioned that you thought lacy was at a different stage of life than you a little in that you know in Taylor were maybe more compatible. Just curious why you're going that direction over the person that you thought you might have had that more compatible lifestyle well you. I think that's important. Life stage is you guys have to want the same things right but at the same time. I think wanting the same things and fit are very different teams. There are a lot of people you know in my life stager who want to sing things as me. The toll even be a fit for a number of reasons. Right solidified different things. Let's not confuse them and Someone could be in a totally different life stage. But if it's the right fit you guys will align so. I don't know I don't like to over overly wait that so I look at that more so than I look at whether you know whatever stage persons in I'm more like do I say it with them and like I said I fit between Lacey and in Taylor I think both a great fit so becomes other factors right now. Probably think of. It's a really weird way so very interesting thought. Yeah Yeah. I know I'm a Weirdo. So it's still very vulnerable sharing this internal talk. Hey your truth is our non judging. We just want to know you better get to know your phone process. Well would you like to call Lacey herself? Put Her on speakerphone and ask her out. Hey Lacey how you live is Ryan. How's that how is the scheme? Yeah Yeah are you back. You still out there. I got back yesterday coming in back. Okay that sucks. Well that sucks but hopefully I have some good news. I'd really like to take you on a day. Get to know you better. Yeah Yeah you WanNa do it cool? Coca-cola by the way we have you here on dateable ask you out so this is hopefully. This isn't too much surprise. I hope they like prepped. You for that. We're GONNA be like all over the airwaves. Yeah things have famous beginnings so here we go tight tight tight so we go on with our conversation here or should we do that. Someone else take over here. Okay Awesome Lacey. I will call you back some more later and we'll figure it out from there later. We got very exciting. I cannot wait to hear about your date. I'm excited okay. Go make some plans okay. Cool beans Gary can't wait by by okay. You were right Julie. He picked Lacy Nice job. I was really rooting for fewer.

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But I can totally see why he picked Lisi. I was secretly riddick for Taylor to the deep connection. But I don't really reading for Rachel last year. That's you're going in you and I both thought it was going to be lazy. We Watch about that for whatever looks and personality alone. Yes but they ironically didn't see looks but the personality I guess should end up shining through So Ryan Pick Lacey and they did end up going on a date. Six feet away six feet away. Despite giving them the advice of not meeting in person they still decided to meet Iral and they met at a park but we we told them not to and they did it so we did our part Julie. I don't feel as bad in defense to them. This was recorded probably like a month ago. It wasn't as bad as it is now. But it wasn't a lockdown. Yeah yes it was. Like on the cusp of the law. It was like the day before they like just got in but I agree. We were like do zoom day like that's totally cool and they were like whoa person so you know they did go to a public place so that at least was positive but I agree. We needed our part okay. We don't condone this kind of behavior. But these two kids they just had to meet in real life and this is what Lacey had to say about the date. Lacey Lacey Lacey. Yeah Wow when we first set you up on a date with Ryan. We did not expect this cove in nineteen pandemic to happen. But how timely is that chiming? I can't believe it's been a week since we've talked to you. It feels like a year has gone by this much last week. Does it really does well? Let's start with that phone. Call From Ryan. I 'cause we were Julia and I were both on the call as well when he asks you out. What were some thoughts that were going through your mind So I actually didn't realize it was him at first that it had the number store and they didn't recognize it because I was on my car so given my car play side new idea that it was that call coming in I. Should I just talk to you guys not too long for you told me to haul? Chesilhurst became a little sooner than expected so it was kind of caught me off. Guard says going to pick up my dog from doggy daycare. Like hopefully the audio is good. We've actually might. I thought which is bizarre but I was. I'm surprised honestly. I didn't expect to be the one that he chose. I guess so it was. It was exciting and I knew you guys were listening though so I was like yeah. Let's do it. Why did she think that you weren't GonNa be the one that was just? I don't know you just never know what to expect from these things you know like. There's so much you know you don't know who the other people are wealthy. He's talking to you. How feels about on abilities talking to? It's not like something that I was asking him. Throughout right we were just having normal conversation. So you're GONNA be the one by or the one and you to tell us about. The date actually met up in the era of Cova nineteen. I feel like this is like right before things got really guys like sit on like blankets like really far away from each other. How did this go down? We had strayed into cups. We've talked through it across the Yeah so had an interesting start date because I live right by the parts that we went to essentially the park is by backyard so and I have easy parking because I'm the residential part of it so I was like just park in front of my house. You can find parking since there is no parking facilities leaving your house right now. So it's taken so right. I was just like your mouse and I thought he would just text me and let me know when he was here. Outgoing meet him actually came to like knock on the door so I was kind of caught off guard by that. I opened the door and my puppy ran out. Oh this voltage beside another dog like walking into my house and it literally took thirty minutes. Get my dog by God. I was like in a full bred trying to catch my dog from going into the road. Like I hide a riot and this is not even able to digest what he even looks like. You know I got. My dog is going to run to the road and he is like some fast and possible. We catch him so it's very interesting. Start to the day as that was quite the icebreaker after got over that what did you think of him like. I I know you told us what he thought he looks like. And if you remember really guzzler ro your mom about literally everything.

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Give us the play by play. What did I say I said? I thought he was like really tall. And like white or half Asian for whatever reason to not trust my gut be some people's way says really learning also you said he didn't seem like you'd be like that sporty athletic type either. Yeah and African American type. S that to me is basically right. I was like yeah like like black. Athletes essentially is what I said. And then what is he shows up at your first impressions so I mean. I was pleasantly surprised by that and he. He was very understanding kind about the dog situation. Though you never know how someone would react to that never situation that you would expect going on a blind date in your puppy trying to run away run but yeah he was very cool about it and then we got to the park and it was this conversation. It's always been easy to talk to him. There isn't Offered Bowman's or like what am I going to say next flows? Did you feel like it? Followed kind of the same cantor that you had on the phone or was it different in real life. I felt like it was pretty similar because we got to a point where it's very easy uncomfortable. Talk on the phone so I think it took a little bit to get back to that level of comfort rake usually reintroducing a new part of the person by and realize and. I think I was a little stressed out. From chasing way dog once the adrenaline subsided from that. And maybe the wine kitchen a little bit just like it was way win win. The wine come into play chugging it before the date no kidding popping running back over outlined pretty quickly So we were out to the park which took a break out and laid out the blanket and cracked open the Lions Talking Solutions Guys. Six feet apart definitely. I'm GONNA say yes sir. Not she's like yes mom. We were Isis. Wear a what did you physically. What were some of your first impressions of him. I mean I it was just like surprise Different expected Yeah I mean I thought he was good looking like there was like a level of attraction waivers and did you to communicate this to each other. What you thought you'd look like versus what you look like. You're in reality Yeah I actually brought it up in that like you look totally different than I expected. So then we got that conversation which was pretty funny. I think it's interesting too because you guys said like three calls like you said that you had fun on those calls but you were kind of like if it goes somewhere. Go somewhere doesn't doesn't I can take it or leave it. How did you feel after this date like? Did you guys have deeper conversations? What did you talk about? Yeah we definitely got to know each other a little better It was just kind of casual. Conversations can talking about like what we expected from experienced rate and just kind of like crazy was volleyball than we ever get how I came up but we surging competition of like telling two stories in like the most ridiculous story. Somehow one something but I forget what the prize was. Could we never really finished? We just kind of got into this whole like saga of telling you. It's ridiculous travel stories which is interesting because you learn a lot about a person their experiences where they've been just how they react to different situations and yeah it was just pretty much storytelling and just getting to know each other on a deeper level against that sounds fun. Who brought the wine? Heated ran the blanket to yes. Oh Okay so. He had this preplanned so throughout. How long did this date last for He came over. I guess at six or six thirty I think left it like nine or ten okay so good mount of time and did any feelings progress throughout the three or four hours. You're together if you need like feelings. Progress by Lake. Did I like fall for him more? I think it's more so it progressed. In the sense that we got to know each other more In Lake started to connect on a different level. Tang what is that different level Do you just get to know somebody at a less superficial level rate than just like what do you like to do on the weekends and that kind of stuff is kinda learn more about the person and then also when you see them talking percent their mannerisms and like what they get happy? React to things and it's different in person than than on so I feel like this date was like right on the cost of Shit really hitting the fan with garbage yet.

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I get a two part question. What have you seen him again? Or if not have you guys talked again like further after this. Yeah so we've been talking on the phone. I think once or twice and then like just like texting casually throughout the days would you be open to doing zoom dates with him or like. What is your thought? I'm open to it. Maybe more like facetime or something. They're gonNA facetime said you're open to having another virtual date with him once. The lockdown gets lifted. Are you interested in seeing him again in person every of into again? Is there a little hesitation in that or is it just more like you will see where things go? I guess I'm not getting a bigger picture of how you feel about right. Now I mean I like Ryan Am I like I think I said this on the on the first interview? Am I like head over heels getty for him no but do I like him in what I like to get to know him? More in in my opening man. Yeah did you like him more after seeing him. I think so. Yeah and this is also a two part question given the situation. Why did you guys kiss or two? Would you have kissed if covered? It was not happening. I mean this country. What's going to happen three if you don't WANNA get arrested? Just wink and let us know you kissed or not. I is that against the law right now. Actually think it might be a misdemeanor Yes we did that. Well left out the best detail the day I mean it was fine so it was definitely a different scenario than I woulda allowed to happen on the first date given the situation because it got really cold outside in the park and because I was like so hot from chasing my dog I didn't like ring a thick jacket so I got like real cold in then I live like right by the park may end up coming back to my house like watching a movie on the couch. Aw K. so that probably like send signals that I wouldn't want to send on the gopher state. Yeah but why? Did you feel comfortable to do that with Brian? I mean not that I should trust my guy after my talk. You look like it everything after the phone calls but I felt trust for him off the bat and if you did anything that I could just blast on the podcast trust back it as and he knows what's happening plus I live with three guys so anything to go wrong fucked basically so with this then after the kiss during the kiss any any vagina teen goals. I mean come on give it to us is well currently saying they probably gave off signals. That I would've went to stay. I think he was like a little presumptuous. In where I want to take it so I think it should just move a little faster than I would have wanted to on the first date Go beyond saying I didn't know it let it. I had it like he tried right. Got It okay. And what was his response to that? I mean he was like respectful about it right right last time. Portent of course. And how did the date end? We ordered Thai food's really hungry and he wanted to his car into clay carved till till like take before the typhoon. I guess he's like not some eats carbs alive art pill. I knew him on that. Give me five. I go take my car pill only seven taking Viagra. It wasn't bad. Yeah so we like food and the movie ended ended kind of just like naturally made sense simply with that.

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I don't know why this matters but what movie question and if actually very helpful I do it. I'm so bad at picking movies and like I could spend like the length movie China decide on what I wanNA watch so he was very good about making the decision to watch it. I appreciated that. Thank you like literally terrible for you to make this movie so much. Belinda watching uncut gems. Oh Yeah I watched that last night really strange movie really weird really weird. Maybe not the best I eight movie very unnerving and makes me anxious just thinking about it but okay interesting choice half a date. What were some of the things that you liked the most about Ryan? I think I like the ice ability to communicate and I think I said this from the beginning It's so easy to talk to him. And he makes eye contact when he talks to you listens and which is not very common nowadays or whatever reason communication can can be difficult when dating especially when the meeting somebody that you just net So I really appreciate you know his ability to communicate in how easy it is to talk to him and he's very well educated. Well traveled Which I appreciate and a person a lot so Yeah that was those. Were very positive. Thanks for me. Any red flags While I guess when it got really cold he had brought like an extra jacket and like gloves in a beanie firm solace in like I was shivering and he does like continue to like put it on which he asked me if I like if I was okay and it was like yeah. I'm fine 'cause I never believed women one so then I was like okay that I mean that is what it is Kind of replied. Yeah they are little signs. So I think it's like there's is a miscommunication. He was oblivious versus like. Is it a character thing and I think we'll tell right right away because I mean I probably gave off the idea that I was totally find because of pride I'm like. Yeah like he honestly we might talk to him and he might not even realize the bright shale probably. Yeah probably are at the other hand. I'm not saying Ryan. Which is people in general like it could indicate selfish traits war right right right but it's also like the whole like stereotype females. Because it's just like me making fun of myself but expecting if I say I'm not cooler I'm not hungry. But then like one ensued sued or yes. Oh Yeah and besides his looks. What was there anything else that you found really surprising about him after meeting him in person. I definitely think he's older than I thought What made you think that or did you guys talk about it? We kind of talked about it. He did tell me his age he would. It's only his real name or his age views. A real and I was like. I don't think we're supposed to talk. Generally no I think we can now. Well let's just stick with like Ryan Grim Okay. Lake circling me. Lucy and I'm like it's lacy give right well interesting after this music willing to be like. Hey this is so I am because I feel like to actually get a relationship out. The authorize probably going to be up front about an free show you again but if you WANNA contain any riots but again what was it about him. That made you think that he's a little older than you thought So when talking learning more ballots life and all that just like everything that he's done in all others no way that you saw that being like I don't know what I said like upper twenties or thirty right. So is that a plug for you or do you have any act. Let's actually better. I Jake is in their thirties. Like I feel like guys my age maturity level. Usually there What if I was in his late thirties early forties? How would you feel about that? I think that's really find like I've definitely dated guys like ten years older than me in. I have no issue with that. Like ages nauseous age just a number but it is and a lot of ways it depends on the person and how they act that. There's almost nice that you actually like didn't know going into it because you can judge age off of how they were coming across. I think you certainly he was really playful and on the off so there is something about being blind did not having that as a bias either. Yeah exactly I guess I'll just scale of one to ten.

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How would you rate the state taking out the circumstance of the actual dates Shannon? Yeah my current embarrassed So I wouldn't give it like a good seven point five. Okay good. Why seven point five So bad the out of ten. I think I still think of it like school like ABC. Like nine to ten is like an A. So I mean I think it was like a good day. It was averaged. It wasn't the best date I've ever been on. It wasn't a bad date by any means so is pretty standard for state with the next guy. I feel like that's kind of your general consensus about Ryan. Fine he's good. He's good conversation. I don't know I guess I'm still not syncing like a strong opinion from you either way. He's not blowing the dry and it takes me a while to like build a strong opinion. Like that about somebody. I like to have a lot of sacks before having opinion probably because a misjudge without facts as you learned so I don't know I am not like blown away right but I don't think that means that this can't grow into something going back to what I think it's in the last interview. I think real relationships you build from the ground up anytime that I've fallen head over heels for guy it's never worked out because it's because I created this persona that wasn't real around this send you know so I'm learning about him and the persona creating is more like factual based in fantasy based. Yeah got it on. Maybe Corona virus outbreak will make things a little slower. See guys can get all those fax SINC- Helen of all right. Yes definitely An interesting time to start something new but the last time you could see each other in person for a while while we're excited to hear where this goes. I mean it might be a check in a couple. That'd be next season when we check it with you guys who knows what the tie they would've liked but definitely excited to hear what happens. Yeah thank you Lacey or Lucy or whoever you want to be. At least he's strange. Thanks again by yeah. I still can't get a full read. I can't get a full read. I think it's like what we heard last time too. It's this I like him but I'm not like so excited either. That could be a good thing like she pointed out. Maybe that's fine right. It's easing into something but yeah I don't know yes. She also reminds me of the Times that went on really stellar dates. Where I really liked the guy but I didn't want to tell my friends about him yet. I didn't want to jinx. It could also be totally. Well be interesting to hear what he has to say. That's for sure. Yes without further. Do here's Ryan Ryan. We just talked to lay see. We got the dates. We have to hear your side of the story to how the date went all that. We want all the details. Let's first start with. What was the date? You guys have planned. Well how did you come about planning that kind of day? Meeting in time of Krona right there wasn't a lot to do. Replaces CLOSED JUST SO HAPPENS? The vegetables right by the park and said like a great place to do it. The Sun was setting round the time that we got connected so we figured what's raw blanket. Have a glass of wine and chat so you brought over a blanket and some why you went to the park. What happened how the moment you got there actually. there was a diversion because her dau- rooted right before we spent the first three minutes like chasing down. The dog was gone. Oh my God what fortunately lacy's in tremendous shape and she was able to chase the dog down because I was. I could hardly keep up Allie. I've tried to using my dog before. It's it's hard. Were you able to form an opinion of her or were. You dislike distracted by everything that was happening. You know I was just kind of going with the flow. I think already have a positive opinion of her from speaking with her on the phone. Ira came in with a positive mindset towards her. You know when the dog runs out like that. It's a lot but it was okay. It was interesting. You know session that way. I could see like which he really is. Good a shape as she passed along the way she was she was finally able to acquire the dog. And you were able to take a deep breath and take it all in tell us what were your first impressions of Lacy Honestly.

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She was a lot like I expected her to be really. I'll tell us more. Well remember she let on that. She was tall united's perhaps I thought she'd be low blonder than she actually was but I think it was actually the way she had her hair done. And she actually was about his blogs. I thought she'd be or she has what Allen. O clock dirty blond. I am not really a good person. Asked about the details of different hair colors. I barely see Red Blue Green. Okay Color Blind Ryan and We sit down and we just you know we just kept it. The banter going and Chitchat and each other. A bunch of really like interesting question. See who could outdo the other our storytelling. What were these questions may see? I asked her like What's your most dangerous travel story? Dangerous Travel Story. Wow Okay in a time of Corona virus health. All your story. What's the most memorable thing? Or what would you WANNA be most remembered for you board? That's a good one Just stuff like that near us. We kind of went back and forth. And we're any of her answer is memorable for you. Yeah actually She weighed rugby like a wedding gown. Came Internet me. My so I was. That was pretty interesting interesting. So as chief physically your type would think we attracted Yeah she's definitely attractive. Girl this type. I look at each person in their own category beauty. Does that make sense people? I have buddies who are specifically working for that five foot four Asian chick right like. That's their titans. Someone else looking for a tall blonde. Which Lacey happened to invest their type. So what else is looking for a black girl? The big booty invest their tight right right. You're like well you know. All those girls are pretty. I don't know do I get along with them or not right. And was there anything surprising about her for you other than her hair. Not Being as blunt as you thought it would be. You know it's always surprising when you get to match name to face. But what but what I think acidic so. I think that she was a little taller even though I knew that she was tall from our first conversation I imagined her smaller Mazur. Sue's probably a five three or something like that even though she saw first conversation right so she does boxing lifetimes girls do. Boxing are more interested in self defense and a taller girl is more thinking like. Oh well I maybe not saying. It's not every example. But she might say well. Boxing so masculine already tall. I don't need to do that or I don't WanNA come off one way right so because of things like dad noticing. She said I'd kind of imagined her as a smaller person policy five Ben. Are you still taller than her? Like how are you guys compare? Yeah no she's fine. I'm taller than she is by a comfortable margin or at least for me for her she probably she probably means like you know. This guy's a Munchkin you know I don't know I her brother's like six seven or something. Oh Wow so you to sit down at the park when you're not supposed to okay and you're definitely thought people could go to the park and definitely less than six feet apart. Perhaps I would do not take my measuring tape me. How was the conversation at the picnic in the park with everything everything slowed back and forth? Anything different from your phone calls. Joe was pretty much more of the same okay and then. Did you feel chemistry from these conversations? Chemistry the conversations were you know they were. They were fun. Know like I said Lacey was a lot of fun and you just continue to be. How would you rate the state overall While I've had a lot of interesting dates this will definitely definitely be like two thumbs up. Okay at scale one to ten. What would you say one to ten Probably about eight I. What makes it an eight over ten? Gosh you know I think like a ten is once every very rare occasion. You meet somebody you are just completely just blown away by crap. Something magical comes with that Obviously a one would be some of that. You know you you've bought gathered early because it's just painful like that I think in her case I really had a great time. United definitely would be open to meeting again so we heard from her that it got cold. You kind of took the date inside to her place. How are you feeling at that stage cold? It was cold. So we went in Alabama chitchatted. Watch a movie chitchatted and I got. There is a special night way way way. Okay backup that was like two seconds and we know. This date lasted more than two seconds. You're sitting on a blanket. You're drinking wine and gets cold. What is going through your mind at this point because what were your I know. We're GONNA say Ryan you'RE GONNA say. I had no expectations going to the state. But what were your expectations going into? This date broke. I expected to meet somebody who is totally fine and to have a great time.

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And that's exactly what happened. I mean she was as advertised advertise. I'm K. right and then so it gets a little bit cold. And who's the one to suggest to go inside? She did okay. And what did you think was going to happen indoors? Oh just probably just talk and drink in your place. She has a roommate get a chance to like rests with the dog so scratches at action. So what actually ended up happening in reality once he got in place. That's a pretty good fit for what happened. I mean I have no idea what she said so. I'm curious to know win. It got cold outside We were told that you were quite prepared for the colds. You had gloves and a hat and jacket. And she didn't have much on her. Did you notice that at all? The park is like literally in her backyard. So you know for me I understand. How Cold San Francisco can be? If I'M GONNA spend any time outside drew about five o'clock so I was prepared for that which he chooses to wear I. I am not someone who is into telling girls wear by. Did you notice that? She was cold or was she not cold. Would actually I did ask her? When I sat down and she said that she was fine. We had just got done running after Padang style. In your mind she was fine Yeah I checked in. I not monitoring minor eater. Sorry interesting okay. So you go in the house and she told us that you guys watched a movie. What made you guys decide to watch a movie? Because I feel like that's like to our commitment right like we're now coming to you know just. I could go home and watch Netflix. The decision tree you know. I think she had ordered a Thai food or something so I was like great. Might as well go for it so she ordered food for both of you guys or for herself for both of us. Who paid for this food? I'm not sure how much it came to buy. provided quite a hefty contribution to the total payment. K. and the movie ends. What will was there any conversation or any physical touch during the movie when we were in close proximity you know watching the movie but not six feet apart cots you and then was there conversation during movie. I feel like it's hard to talk to someone during movie you know we spent more time. Talking movie was like a conversation got it. Was there anything beyond a little cuddling during the movie? What does that look like like? What can you walk us where you learn cuddling was with the dog? The dog owners attention and I need attention now so the dog got your attention or her attention or ours attention. How did how did the dog make you feel I? You're slow. Oh yeah okay. Not a cock block now this state and with a kiss at all. What kind of guy do you think I am a guy who's on podcast about eating Abadula true? We already know the answers you do. I can't speak for her. Can say that you know a gentleman. Jim Don't talk about things like that. Okay and how did the day end? I think everything ended well probably about ten. I just said you know. It's not the Times school night to go and then we'll always said during that time. Oh Oh we. We talked a lot about the podcast and stuff especially near the end wondering like what looks. Good come up this view you so we'd probably find another time to talk. I yeah we heard that you still wanted to go under the pseudo name Ryan and her lacy Slash Lucy horse so after this checkup with us. Are you going to reveal to her your real name? Or what does that look like Jeez I don't know actually I don't know what the next steps are. I think the next steps at this point. Are you guys just doing your thing if you want to or not? That's the Next Steps. We're out at this point. Yes how much you want to see her right now. How much I guess like do you WanNa soon? After a second date where it was an eight out of ten. It'll be a lot of fun. I'm just worried that day to ideas will be pretty limited. GotTa get creative here. Have you guys been in contact like on video or on phone? How's it going or Ryan I I need to? I need to hear a little bit more here because you keep talking in generalizations like. Oh you know as good as a first date will go conversation flow like a conversation. Would we saw chronic? We hung out. You know like normal people would so was there anything particularly memorable about the state. Did you develop feelings for lacy? This is the first time that this was like an experiment. Right so like this. That was super interesting Always remember it because nothing else and you know.

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She still has a code name. I have a code-named of courses memorable. Well do you see this going somewhere? Like outside of the experiment now that the experiment essentially is done in. It's just on you guys to continue this. What are your thoughts It's really too early to tell but I think that Lacey's great and I look forward to Gaynor better at any point during the date. Did you think I really wonder what Rachel's Like I really want. Our Taylor would be like yeah. I'm definitely curious about them. There was a tough choice coming up with information. I came in with right after three calls. I really thought that all three of them were great people. So were you thinking about the other two on the date or did not crush them. No no no no no when I you know. I think that you should be present through whatever your present wet. I'm not thinking about that. Other podcast right now your other other plots author Fairmont. That's happening heater. So thinking back to your date with Lacey named three things that you really like about her. She's Super Fun and positive. She has a really like her. The way she exists is really familiar to me. You know 'cause low key maintenance you know that really resonates. She's Florida I love. You know I'm from Florida so we will Florida manslaughter. Jokes in common actually had some really interesting jokes. To tell about you know. Gators and dog buckling and all sorts of other cravings Oh Okay we won't be talking about that. That's right that's right. Yeah I'm I'M NOT GONNA ask to make you feel on the date like what feelings you have. Oh she made me feel really welcome unit very personable. I think she just you know. We continue to build report any red flags. I think you thought she might be a little younger than she actually is. Did you have any better feel of that on well? Let's see it's my knowledge. He's twenty six so I don't know how old she actually is. But I guess to some degree we were kind of. We weren't sure where we allowed to talk about. What Ryan before. Now there are no right now that you're reading in real life. This is now back of you. We're just here to facilitate the meet and greet by once you meet in the flesh. I mean we can control any of that. But let's say if you were telling your best friend about your date with Lacey. How would you describe her? I would say that. She's a beautiful tall athletic girl with a really kind heart fund. Smile in New York. Yeah it's just I guess a general question like you seem like you're in this very much like we'll take it as it goes and I don't want to put the cart before the Horse missile. You generally approach relationships or do you feel like you're doing that because of either a the experiment or be because you're not sure about her. I'd say that that's typically how for me at this stage. That's kind of where I'm at for me to date sin. I mean what I know about a person not even two days bridal phone conversation in a date any thoughts about what your second date could be and win. Look let me see how. Gosh maybe urban hike We'll have to see what's what's going on like these things are changing. What may really be fine because she has such good shape maybe workout together. I ought to keep up. I'm a little afraid of making a bad impression. Well that's a good one. I mean that's allowed on shelter in place and you can definitely be six feet apart if you're running or full. Shuki Way from one hundred feet of a dog the first place and then it's Lisi and anti run far enough to die. We'll definitely be in second part dog will be in first. That's the key to saying six feet apart on dates. We got it now. I know for the for the first chunk of the whole experience. Like two hundred feet away. Actually Australia program. She left well. It's GonNa be interesting to see what happens because of any budding romance like we talked about date one. You just don't know right. You don't know where the other person you don't know who also talked to knew who else you're talking new but then we also have this avalanche of Corona virus next into so it's GonNa be really interesting to see what ends up playing out for this one. Definitely if I give you this scenario right now and said let's say we give you an option of meeting up with either Rachel or Taylor and give you their contact information beyond their phone number because we can change your phone number. Certain Stockton Hunger under the stipulation that you cannot contact lacy again.

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Oh I wouldn't like that it'd be good. I made a choice and so and I. It's I'd have more information about racing. Now look at that. I love it. Look at that one woman man. I love it after one day. He's like Like if if I had a bad time lacy or something of course the aren't you and I didn't have time or anything. So it's that'd be weird right since I already have the phone numbers to the other girls than like a real. This is not a real scenario. We could easily change them. Could you owe six them now? I've I haven't reached out to them since experiments of how okay I'm trying to keep the experiment pristine you guys are already muddled off about k. On the actual love is blind. Show you stay with your partner. But they let the other people come back later so this is kind of the idea. It's not muddling experiment. It's actually continuing experiment. It's real life. That's how real life is a really sounds like you both respect each other and the two of you had a good enough time with each other to want to see each other again. I mean that's basically the what we've gathered from both of you the only red flag. I wouldn't even call red flag that she communicated to us was the fact that it got cold. And you put on your jacket and your hat and your gloves and didn't offer it to her but she did also say. She told you she was fine. When she really wasn't she was really really cold. Well the thing with that is is that we're like fifty feet from our house and switch decides to wear and she tells me she's good. I kinda got to go with that like unless I wanNA start manse planning or something right. You know what's so fascinating now as I feel like you both are very slow to proceed like. You're both very cautionary about this. Whole thing of like. Oh we had one date and it was good. I don't want to jump the gun. I don't WanNa get too excited because it's one day in your both kind of like treading a little and I think we've been. We've been having a hard time figuring out from you guys like how excited you are about the other person view conduct like literally both of you have the exact same vibe about it. It was really great. But you're not like it was awesome like there's not like that excitement in your voice that you know Definitely Been Times where I met somebody and I was really excited and I got ghost right and I thought it was the greatest thing ever and. I'm sure there hadn't been other times where I was like you know. I don't know what I'm talking to this person in all my God. That was like you know Greece Romances of my life. You know and so I guess they're important time you just kind of be like. I don't know what's going to happen so let me just keep an open mind you know. At least that's where I'm at. It seems like maybe that's where she's at two. I totally get why. You're both kind of like. I don't WanNa put all my cards on the table but then at the same time if I don't know I think sometimes when someone's not like I really liked you had such a great time with you listening very really just putting it out there things. Don't get off the ground either. So it's kind of a catch. Twenty two is like you. Don't WanNa go all in because you have this past her. You have these past experience like you just mentioned getting ghosted but then also like. How do we take a chance and move something to the next level? I also think it's just you know there's companies right with doing too much of any type of movement or connection with someone right now. The world is a different place in a month ago. Yeah even when we first started this experiment two weeks ago three weeks ago right. I honestly believe you two are very good politicians. Because you both knew you're going to be coming on this podcast talk about your posted interview and you don't want to say anything that goes either direction so both of you are staying in the Middle Lane keeping the door open and seeing where things go but yes as as someone who's listening to this from as a third party. I really don't have much of an idea of how excited you two are about each even though your words are there. I don't honestly feel that yet because I think both of your like Ooh. I don't want express too much excitement in case he doesn't say that he's excited about me or in case. She doesn't say she's excited about me. Too I actually don't think it's that I don't think it's you guys playing politician. I actually think we've had a lot of people on the PODCASTS. That have out rights that they didn't have a good day number Shelby in to blind dates like she latte out with like I had a bad date. This is like ninety percent of dates. I think happened on dating apps today. It's good it's good but it's not like exceptional in life gets in the way and that's when things don't go the next level.

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I think this was much better than might for me at least knew my average digging up experience much. Oh interesting interesting. I still think there's a little bit of plain politician there in there but I also think to your point Julie is that for I. Eight people don't necessarily open up that much in they don't show a level one ability so therefore I states are always hovering around a five six seven because like that. It's obviously very right. Like the NATO us today. Okay I remember. I don't know maybe it might be only like six because you know to lay she it was you know three or whatever now. I think you guys were literally the exact same yet. Healings in sentiments on it and it could just be your personalities too. That's the other factor out there like we said with podcast guests. We've had some people that are just totally transparent. But we don't know you're dating histories fully wake both of you. Just seem a little cautious. That's what I'm getting at both of you. Yes and I would venture to believe that this is how you would act with other dates to outside of this podcast and I think a lot of people are just generally cautious. Because they don't know what the other person's thinking they don't know how many other people while they're purchase dating and I think we don't WanNa put ourselves out there fully convinced too scary so it's better to have an okay date or date where I could take it or leave it. If they call me right instead riling your friends like home super excited in the straight. Of course I I definitely agree with that. Are about toiling all your friends. I've definitely been there. We've all been there. You know. And that sucks but you know. I think there's a. There's a gap between tilling all your friends about it. One thing is actually being super excited right. You know and I think that you know I would encourage all daters to go and let all hang out because the person doesn't love you back. Never see them again anyway. Best Foot forward. Yeah you do the same the same Ryan do I? Did you know he's role he's on the PODCAST? So he's done on the pocket that's right I guess? The Litmus test is when she texts you. How do you feel a little nervous? She talks a little bit about that. But are you excited excess? I see her. He literally prescribed any conversation. I said a little bit of something. She says something back and I said something to all in all. I know it's up the text. I don't need to know what you guys are taxed throughout. I think it's for me. It's like I know really into someone when I see their name pop up and I get that excited feeling It's not about what they're texting me. It's the feeling that they're reaching out. Right what are do feel does feel good when I get back right on the guy so. She's not texting texting her. Do you want her to be texting. You more I think it's great when people. I think it's silly that girls wait to be contacted so much it's like I don't know. I have like so perplexed by this works by what. I'm just so perplexed because I guess I've been out of the dating scene for so long. This is all coming back to a year and a half. It's all coming back to haunt me now because I now remember all those first dates I win on. I see him again and then if I don't see him we unlike it's fine if I don't see him again cool. Yeah we've been chatting about stuff. I guess I rather step away from date thinking. I really want to see this person again or I really don't want to see this person again yesterday. You know what though? I'm generally like specialist all hanger. I'm generally like that too but I think lacey actually brought up. A good point is that she's had those situations in the they've gone in fields right like they've gotten too hot and heavy just like die and I think what she's saying she'd rather take it slow and let something developed over time and she saw you as someone that she could enjoy being around but she did enjoy being around with you. She could see it. Developing over time like there was that baseline attraction there was that baseline like I like him as a person. It just wasn't like fireworks from day one but her point was the ones that have been fireworks from day. One have it worked out so there is a benefit of taking it. Slow too and I don't honestly I don't know what the right answer is because I can see both ways of it. Yeah I think that that resonates now. I'd love to go into some takeaways of justice entire experiment the date everything like I think for me like what I'm gathering for. You is even though. Yeah we're questioning the excitement one hundred percent. But you're still saying this was a better date than most of your dating APP dates. You felt like you authentically got to know someone a bit more and I think there is a benefit of this kind of taking it slow not necessarily letting the physical outrun everything else in building that connection.

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Yeah in this segment. We only had you guys talk for three times in. Love is wine. They did like ten days straight. Nothing else but I think that also showed that people could build up report and I think it was interesting. There is some of them physically attracted still but there were some. That didn't so I think it's good that we actually saw this. As we're both like happy with the outcome of the two and like the physical matched or actually even pleasantly surprised. In some situations I guess the takeaway I have overall is. Let's take it slow. Let's get to know people especially when we're in the world of Corona virus right now like leads us the time to have more conversations on the phone do a video call before meeting up like even outside Corona virus. Like this stuff is. It's a good way to bill reports of See goto dates feeling like they're our friend. Not just random stranger. Yeah I think it reduces a lot of awkwardness. People complain about so many people connected with online Right away but yet. No one wants to awkward. Everyone's the conversation just flow Mike. So magic. You're like what are you guys even talking about you know. How is that supposed to happen if you just met them? I've seen yeah. There are some people that works out with nursing's good but I've had some great relationships with that wasn't the case too and later on you know after we've been dating for six months he says yeah we're on that first time talking to you is like pulling teeth. I can get anything out of you out So it's just like I think. We need to like our expectations down a little bit set. Aside some of those presumptions be present engaged. Whatever it is there as long as it lasts. That's a moment of your life. You'll never get back. I I do think what I learned from this experiment. From the design of the experiment in itself is that immed- you and the three women that you talk to all view this as a long term experiment. What I mean by that. It's it's more than once. So when they spoke to you on the phone for the first time they knew that was in the last time and two other times to do it and I think a lot of times with modern dating is out on your first date. You think it's either the state or we don't see each other again. You're putting all your pressure and expectations on that one date and it's nice to spread that out over time and what I've learned from your feedback and Lisi's feedback is that you don't see this as a short term thing you are thinking okay this. We keep doing this. We keep getting to know each other. We I see a few other dates in the near future. And we're just going to keep this going and that's something we don't give each other any more. Is that time and because of Krona Virus. What are we getting back is time so this is the perfect time to give each other more time to spend that time to get to know each other better but my challenge to both you and lacy is to spend that time wisely. I agree with organic conversation and asking these really great questions that are like. Oh tell me about your most dangerous trip which is great you can learn some but what can you do on your next conversation to even push it a little bit more? Where can you open up more? Where can you become more vulnerable or see where she can become more vulnerable because what the danger of having too much time right now is that we could just stalemate and just be where we are surface level? You know what that's really fascinating. Because I was actually going to save that something. I've been thinking about since the last conversation we had is. I actually thought for sure that you are GonNa pick Taylor because the way you spoke. It sounded like there was more desolate conversation. You guys talked about past relationships. You've talked about like struggles in your lives like if felt like it was getting more to the core where Lee C. Kept describing as fun and I actually sat with this real little. I think actually a make sense why you went down the route of fun because I think I dates in First. Interactions should be fun. Like that is where you're looking for more playful connection and I also I am looking back my own. Dating life in the The dates I had that I walked away thinking. We're a freaking Grand Slam. Like I thought they were like the best days of my life. We like revealed our lives stories to each other and then either ghosted origin. Go anywhere and I think the ones that I actually had relationships form like my last boyfriend our first date we talked about like pranks pulled on people. We didn't go super deep like we just built up connection and we had that fun playfulness to it in Matt King Leader and I think also sometimes and I'm guilty of this too.

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It's like we hit a certain age. We hit a point that we really want a serious relationship than you're like I need to get it all out on the table right away but you actually have this like reaction. That was kind of like. I don't want to hurt Taylor. I don't want to like pursuing in case it doesn't work out because you kind of had all of that and I think it's a lesson that defeating the initial stages fund is still. The primary goal in the stock can come out later but to you as point. It needs to come out at some point in deepened. Because if it just stays fun the whole time that it stays service level there. Yeah and also we can't. Sometimes we mistaken deep conversations for connect. And that's not always the case I've had dates where someone's really opened up to me and I didn't say much and they probably thought it was the deepest connection and I really didn't think so so we should also redefined what a connection is connection can be on the fun side as well that is also a connection but on the other side. I don't think it's just about saying deep shit right. And you actually said this to Ryan. I think the Taylor Conversation. You're like we talked a lot about spirituality but it wasn't necessarily like a deep connection was informed it was. We just talked about deeper stopped. What you I think One of my takeaways that those were first impressions. I think we so often jump jump to the conclusion that this is. My interaction and this person is right now. I think going back to your point earlier about this kind of one in dating mindset. You know we go back to high school. There are so many people that you had repeated interactions with and then over time. You know that person you thought was for you. You're like no way later on some other girl. You were thinking not that interesting. You know what that blossoms into something really magical. When I looked at the three girls I realized like in this amount time resonated and as we connect to be sort of ways each of them has very complex given enough time. It'll be exciting things. And they'll be deep things for all of them in fun. I installed them giving them out of time. And just baptism interaction. That's how it went. You generalize it too much about the person beyond whatever that you do it so fast day. I did like this blind speed dating or not blind love. It's it's a virtual st dating for during Corona Virus. I tried this last week and I actually had a few experiences just due to technical glitches where it was me. The guy in another girl came in and because it was like the way that Just the rooms were organized. I think actually Rachel said this on the call is that you do as a woman you know how other women date right. You don't know how they're coming off in the perception in what I noticed on this kept happening like a couple times of just like how bubbly and how excited a lot of the women wore her. So I'm like it's a really interesting thing you just said it's you do only get this one snapshot. I think Speed dating is like the ultimate test. You have like three minutes right but you have to think Rachel brought this obviously. She was excited to hear how she was perceived. I think actually all the girls brought this up is this experiment wasn't just about going on a date it was about what is the perception that I'm giving off too because we don't know as humans right. Yeah Actually Rachel did bring that up. We spoke about that in some detail. At least in Rachel's Case I thought that she was well within the realm of normal and the best version of herself. She shouldn't have any sort of concerns there. But I think we all kind of wonder you know. How is it for someone else? Or what's everyone else experiencing right now? I think we have to be careful not to spend too much time on that and we just need to realize in my in the realm of decency and my trying to be my best self so right. That's a really good point because at the end of the day like whoever is going to be attracted to you. It's GonNa like the qualities that you bring but I think it's balancing staying true to yourself but also recognizing that a first impression is a first impression. Yes the major. The this idea comes to mind from this conversation. Which is I think we need to take. Time to incubate are connections and our relationships and I say this because look at all the reality. Tv shows sure some of them are they fall in love really fast. But it's sort of believable because you are trying to focus on one person for a certain amount of time and it's it's focus attention of course you're going to start developing feelings for them and in fact There's a show on Netflix. One hundred humans Oh Yeah but they did an episode on attraction attractiveness and they showed a series of photos of people and they had you choose who you thought was most attractive and the at the end who chose most attractive was actually the the picture they showed the most.

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It wasn't so much just. At first glance it was just a photo that the face that you found most familiar interesting you ask I. I think this is why facetime and this is why splitting more than that. First date with. Someone is so important as long as you have that baseline connection right. You feel like you enjoy each other's company. Then you gotta just incubate that for a little bit and let it simmer because that passion chemistry attraction that can all come later but you still just need that baseline first and just give each other more time. And that's exactly what lacey end rioter doing so excited to see what happens for you guys. I think it's going to be really. I think there's something good here for sure. Yeah I agree. I'm excited. I'm sold now and also before we go anybody's listening to this and would also like to participate in a similar experiment. Please let us know. We're looking for subjects for next experiment. We love doing these. All right. We're going to wrap this up and six feet. Apart database. Podcast is part of the FROLIC podcast network. Five more podcasts. You'll love at frolic dot media slash podcasts. Want to continue the conversation. I follow us on Instagram. Facebook and twitter with the handle at dateable podcast tag in any post with the HASHTAG stable and trust us. We look at all those ban head over to our website. Dateable PODCAST DOT COM there. You'll find all the episodes as well. As articles videos and our coaching service with vetted industry experts can also find our premium y series where we dissect analyze an offer solutions to some of the most common dating conundrums also downloadable for free on spotify Apple. Podcast Google play overcast stitcher radio and other podcasts platforms. Your feedback is valuable to us. So don't forget to leave us a review and most importantly remember to stay date of.